Here's a poll on California's AB2072 bill. Below is a video about what AB 2072 is about.
Warning: This poll is not a scientific poll.
Sunday, June 20, 2010
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42 comments:
I voted. Did you?
Vote again. I had to switch to a different poll widget. The first one wasn't working right. And switched to Polldaddy.
It's an interesting idea isn't it ? I don't think it would work in the UK because we lack the people to provide adequate information that is neutral. He doesn't say who the information is to be provided from. Would it prevent those who despise A G Bell from providing their side of things ? which the bill would have to OK as well. I'd forsee a few years arguing about the hard sell...
There is advocacy for each type of communication. It doesn't matter if one group advocates over another. The point is to provide the necessary information to parents to make an informed decision or for them to further in their research by contacting others in the process.
I voted! :)
I voted too. Wow, 69.5% voted against? Why in the world would we want parents to be in the dark? This bill will help hearing parents with deaf infants become empowered to make choices once they know everything. Right?
I voted.
RussellE
to DJ-only if you get a chance to see the proposed brochure, you will understand why we are against the bill. I hope the results are fair and honest. thanks.
anonymous to DJ, what proposed brochure?
I voted.
John F. Egbert
I voted! Parent have right to know all communication options.
Jen
People who vote "NO", they simple not understand what Bill is about. EVEN they been fight to get ASL in the communication options for long time. But say "NO" to that bill....???? Not make any sense.
Jen
People who voted yes don't realize that this bill is not not not not about keeping parents in the dark. It's about the wrong people being in charge of disseminating information. I'm happy that most of the poll people have seen through the BS in the bill. No on AB 2072!
It proves one thing. The network inside of a closed society is easier to locate, find and target for polling. Now try and locate networks outside of a closed society and conduct a poll.
You can't. Just can't because they're not easily located and reached for polling.
Therefore the poll question that goes against the closed society will always generate higher count such as is evident here.
Anonymous,
ASL is not a communication option, it is a bona fide language, just like English.
Like anonymous said, this bill is bogus, and the issue is about having the wrong people disseminate information. I cannot believe that some of you are trying to twist this about, saying that we want to keep parents in the dark. What a bunch of bull! Good grief.
Barry Sewell,
You said, "The network inside of a closed society is easier to locate, find and target for polling. Now try and locate networks outside of a closed society and conduct a poll."
There is no such closed society in the Deaf Community.
You reflected yourself as part of the closed society and have said that you are not part of the Deaf Community.
Now it is time to realize that the majority of the Deaf Community just don't buy your philosophy.
It is, John. It wasn't long ago you were accusing people of being "deficit thinkers" and how they ought to be "censored" in Deafread and such for merely having an opinion. This Deaf community/culture occupies only 1/33th of the total population of people with hearing loss. You live in one end of the hearing loss spectrum of community. With probably less than 1 million Deaf people out of 33 million people with hearing loss, you only represent a small minority within a minority population.
Paotie on Deficit Thinker
Why against?
Because the bill is flawed.
It relies on NIDCD for guidelines. And over 85% of staff have been funded by CI-industry.
Last research they did was in 2004 and wasn't finished.
They advocate CI whenever's its possible.
Even for moderately hearing-impaired.
That's the flaw.
I'm for communicating with parents, but not with the bias.
Mike,
You said, "With probably less than 1 million Deaf people out of 33 million people with hearing loss"
What's the different between Deaf and hearing loss?
deaf is deaf
Any terminology to separate the two of the same is deficit thinking.
Some folk said audiologist can SPEAK their options on any communication options. That truth... BUT they CAN'T NOT remove ASL information out of that options.
That bill require audiologist to give all communication options... even ASL in it. That what Bill is for.
If AB 2072 FAIL.... Then audiologist CAN remove ASL information out.
My BIG question is....
How can you STOP audiologist to remove ASL out? How can you protect our ASL?
If you want protect ASL... then tell me what your next move?
Jen
The word "Deaf" has always meant culturally deaf and not about the rest of the 32 million people with hearing loss.
Hearing loss varies. Just as vision loss varies. Blind doesn't mean blind. Deaf doesn't mean deaf.
John Egbert,
Go and get some help over at this well-known treatment center for the deaf in Minnesota. It's not far from where you live. Be sure to ask for treatment on co-dependency. It's where you'll be treated for denial traits. Denying the existence of closed society. Good luck there.
Barry
Barry,
FYI, John Ebgert is a person of intergity and goodness.
I felt honored to meet John Ebgert in person at the DBC rally in Arlington , VA.
Don't you dare to mock or defile John Ebgert at all!
RLM
Good for you RLM. (patting on your head here) I understand. I really do. Some people need the esteem booster by meeting self-appointed leaders. Sometimes it help them feel better about themselves. In your case it appears to help so I'm happy for you.
FYI, nobody has to mock and defile John. He's done that to himself ALL the time. And since you like him I'd suggest that you help him out.
Why are you letting Barry mocking John? I agree with RLM. Now you see why a lot of people have left Deafread because there is so much mocking, bullying and other mean things.
AB2072 is a bad bill from the get go and if anyone diasgree, read the bill more careful.
As for you, Barry, you do have a history and I'm not going to start with you because it'd be a waste of time. You never were willing to listen to valid points but your own.
It's time to open up your mind because many hearing people already saw the flaw in the bill!
I just read aslECOUTERlanguage's blog saying that "A blogsite offered a poll on AB2072. It is no brainer. Most of the commenters will poll in favor for it because the blog owner is in favor of AB2072".
As of this writing, looks like that aslencounterlanguage uploaded that an hour ago. Didn't that blogger do any research before writing that blog? Looks to me that the "no" outnumber the "yes" by over 140.
The poll is nullified? Whatever.
That blog author has nothing better to do than harass Mike.
Did you read what deafmommy, who comment there said? How ironic.
She said, "As for BS mocking John Ebgert, why isn't DeafRead doing something about it as it is a form of bullying.. Shame on Deafread for ignoring this...".
Yet in her comment before this, she accused BS of being a 'Venus Flytrap' blah blah. I think name calling BS is a form of bully. Don't ya think?
Yes, BBF. DeafMommy engaged in name-calling. So did John when he implied that Mike is "deficit-thinker"
I voted :) for support the bill! because I believe every parent need to have the opportunity to know all the options out there to select, whats the best choice for his/her child's best interest..
Its a good thing!! My mom never had that opportunity when she found out that I lost my hearing at 16 months old, she drove few miles to the library, and spend all day for weeks to research all the options provided for children with hearing loss.. and that time, she only knew one resource was AG BELL association, and the audiologist could not provide many options out there, by telling what resources they are aware of.. So, my mom did alot of work by contacting so many people with many research done, and that took her many months!! Poor my mom had limited informations at the time, but she did her best to make the decision for me :)
Those happened in year of 1988
now that bill, when it passed, then the parents didnt have to go to the library to figure it all out by him/herself, just to get all brochures of many different options.. save parents time and easier to get ahold of many organization/agencys to help them decide whats the best for their child..
When my mom heard this bill.. she said she wished that bill happened long time ago- that would make a big difference!! At least, we are thankful that this will become more easier for the parents than what happens more than 20 years ago.. Imagine that?!!
Kelsey aka HonBrit09
It's really weird if not fascinating to see people accuse my poll of being biased because it'll show a result favoring AB2072. But it hasn't since 75% were against it versus some 25% for it, so far. Now, the irony is this. Most of the people who came over to my poll came from Deafread.com. Some of the very same people who berated and accused Deafread.com of practicing "audism" while a few are crowing in pride seeing my poll result show a larger percentage against AB2072.
These are weird times with those people. Weird times.
You are wrong. Most of us came to your website because of FACEBOOK. We don't go to DeafRead anymore. It is junk! DeafRead is only good for Barry Sewell and his children.
They couldn't rhythm the book called Dr. Suess, therefore they only understood whom opposed the bill. They are narrow minded folks who do not understand what the bill represents for. Sucks to be deaf like them!
Is anonymous name-calling here? He/she left Deafread, supposedly because of bully? Isn't that what he/she is doing? Good grief.
@HonBrit09 You go! And SI! Imagine that!
@Mike you stated: "There is advocacy for each type of communication. It doesn't matter if one group advocates over another. The point is to provide the necessary information to parents to make an informed decision or for them to further in their research by contacting others in the process." I totally agree! IMO the "Deaf stakeholders" ( what does that mean?!?!?) are providing a "safety net" for those few deaf children who "fall through the cracks." That "safety net" or "deaf stakeholders" should not happen. Stop enabling and give these parents the resources/tools to make the informed decision for their child. Teach them, with an open mind, so they can decide, in the best interest of THEIR child
BigBenFactor, I called Barry's followers children because they can't think for themselves. At least I don't bully kids. Barry bullied kids. Whoa! Tayler Mayer allows that. That is no no no! We are better off at Facebook where we have great discussions. Deafhood discussions have over 1500 members and Deafhood, No thanks only have close to 500 members. Some of them there are just to monitor Barryand his followers. They told us @ Deafhood Discussions. Readers, if you go to Deafhood, no thanks, you will see a LOT of name calling. You will see a lot LESS at Deafhood Discussions. It says a lot about Barry's people.
BBF, I know..it's amazing isn't it that they can't even see that it's not DR that is the problem but them and their friends. This one got me laughing. Check out RLM's blog and Cam's and the comments there by the very bloggers themselves and their friends - says it all. Kids! ;)
How is it good to drill a hole and scrap off skull bone and insert some sort of foreign objection inside the head just to hear well? How is it good to teach "false" language like cued speech to deaf children. How is it good for children with profound hearing loss to learn to speak and hear when it s actually just a guessing game? I can tell you it is healthy to teach ASL to deaf children! Its good for them to learn English by reading or writing! So i voted NO!
I casted a vote.
Deafster
Response to Anonymous that reply to BigBenFactor,
Let you know that DeafHood? No Thanks in FB is for who disagree with DeafHood's attutide that it. In DeafHood? No Thanks, I don't see any name calling. Most I see is discussions what DeafHood have done to community... that all.
The reason why I join to DeafHood? No Thanks because Ella and DeafHood calling me "Deaf killer" that kill to deaf community. That is name calling... I do not understand why they said that to me. I do believe that it was parent's choice.
I keeep point to Ella and DeafHood... if they want ASL to be notice to all community...... THEN market the ASL. Set workshop for ASL, talk to parent about ASL, anything that they can sell their ASL information to community... BUT They don't do that much for years.... I keep told them to market the ASL. Sell ASL information to community. ASL will grow to bigger and prove that ASL is best choice. Why cant they do it?? All I notice is they keep rally, bug to CI, mad at AGBell, ect.... I see no sign of market the ASL. NONE! NOTHING!!
ALL they do is hit the wall and at result they get nothing. Look at DeafHood Discussions... they KEEP poke to AGBell about CI. They are mad at AGBell... HELLO... when are they going to sell ASL information to community???
Secret to win the game is market the ASL.
By the way Barry is not my father. I here to make this clear... I join because of Ella and Deafhood's attitude to me and calling me deaf killer. What is that...?!? That is name calling!
Go sell the ASL!!! Show the world that ASL are best choice!
Jen
You bet I voted NO.
For more details, do check www.opposeAB2072.com to see where we opponents are driving at that the supporters keep missing our reasons for opposing. They just don't get it.
Thanks for being on our side for Deaf babies' sake! Go n oppose AB2072!
It's a parental decision. Not yours, Tina Jo. Not anybody. These babies are babies born with a hearing loss, and not "Deaf" babies. You do not own these babies. Babies belong to their parents.
Babies are born with hearing loss in one or both ears. Hearing loss can range from mild to profound. What this bill does is give parents the needed information so they can begin their research and who to contact for more information. In the end, they have a better grasp of what need to be done and make an informed decision.
Conspiracy theories, using AGBell, eugenics, Nazi analogies and many more are nothing but a red herring which is an attempt to divert the issue. This is about giving parents the needed information to make an informed decision.
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