Wednesday, June 29, 2011

The Death of Deafread

I just find it funny whenever the words like "balderdash" and "poppycock" are expressed, especially if its done with a British accent. There are many synonyms that go with it like "flapdoodle," or "humbuggery" which is just as funny. So are the words like "crapola," "crock," "drivel," "fiddlesticks," "rubbish," "hokum," "hooey," "malarkey," "tosh," "piffle," "taradiddle," and, probably my favorite, "twaddle" because it sounds so funny when one says it. Why am I bringing up those words? Well, in a word, Deafread. Or more specifically it's the moaning and gnashing over Deafread's aggregator site and how it supposedly cause the a-wordism to overflow. The problem is that it's an aggregator site. It does not discriminate. In fact, there is a disclaimer saying,

"DeafRead does not endorse any of the blogs by the mere act of publishing."

Secondly, it publishes anything that's related to hearing loss, Deaf culture, deafness issues and so on. No where does it says "Deaf people only" or "Deaf culture only" in bright pink neon letters. And so these frothing of mouths over what Deafread publishes is a bunch of, well, twaddle. The idea of Deafread is to allow a variety of viewpoints, opinions, experiences, and perspectives to be published by bloggers and vloggers who are either hard of hearing or deaf, or have a connection to those people. There are bound to be unpopular opinions, perspectives and viewpoints to be blogged. That just goes with the territory.

Lately I haven't been keeping up with all the readings over the last few months and I'm a bit behind on what's going on. It's like riding a roller coaster. You just want to get off for awhile and have a picnic on a green grass by the lake for a calm and peaceful moment.  Do I want to get back on that roller coaster? Not really but I do have my own thoughts and opinions on a lot of things and so I blog.  Just recently someone told me to go and check out Jeff's blog. I asked why but told me to check it out anyway. And so I did. Nothing unusual. Just that Jeff is being Jeff. Just a lot of bitching. And he has every right to say what's on his mind, however cryptic it may be. I wasn't sure where to look but I suspect it had to do with what started the conversation was J.J.'s comment on Deafread, myself and Candy on the problem of trying to enforce a-wordism in an aggregator site. That was confirmed by my friend when I asked for clarification if this is what he was referring to. The discussion continues with Jeff, Deafpundit, Dianrez, Ann, and a few others jumping in. From the looks of it comes down to is people somehow trying to find a way to control Tayler's Deafread. That sort of thing has been going on for some time.
First there was a group of Deaf people that wanted to get rid of "deficit thinkers" from Deafread in order to control views seen and heard in the Deaf community via Deafread aggregator site beginning in 2007.
They tried that and....failed.
Another year passed and suddenly a new idea on the effort to control Deafread's content and that was to try and force Tayler Mayer to institute guidelines in DR by implementing the "a" word. And attempt to heap social guilt on him. But Tayler realized it'd be an impossible job to enforce that concept because there is no acceptable definition and it was just a cover.
They tried that and.... failed.
So after three years of trying to control Deafread people as a last resort boycotted DR by walking out as bloggers who were once linked in the Deafread aggregator list.
And so what I'm seeing is another round of discussions on finding ways to try and control Tayler's Deafread aggregator's site according to their demands.  Yet Ann makes a good counter point.
There's the other side of the coin, Jeffrey.
There are some Deaf-centric ppl who actually criticize and deride those deaf who choose to hear and speak. Mind you, I KNOW I'm deaf and don't pretend to be otherwise. Yet I don't go around criticizing those who use ASL and are culturally Deaf as inferior.
The prob is that some ppl, regardless of language preference and hearing technology or not, cannot respect the choices others make for themselves and are comfortable with. That's what it comes down to.
There would have to a "deafism" guideline, if an *udism guideline is to be adopted in DR.
Fair's fair, but oh, what a headache to enforce such guidelines...
Just because I don't discuss ASL/sign language in such breadth and detail with lofty praises does not mean I have a disdain for it even though I do sign. Even my daughter signs. Ditto my wife. And even my friends whether they sign in SEE, PSE, SE, or ASL.  Granted, I am comfortable speaking and listening, and I prefer that communication route because that is what I do daily with my other friends, relatives, family, co-workers and people in general as well. I have my preferences and nothing about superiority.  If that were the case then I wouldn't have friends in the Deaf community. I simply would not want to interact with them. Remember, having a preference does not equate with superiority. Just because I see things differently does not mean that the Deaf community ought to be extirpated or that ASL be vanquished or shunned. I just have a differing viewpoint and perspective on these things, and the people I wish to associate with in the deaf and hard of hearing community, and Deaf community. There are people who do not like my blogs. And then there are people who do like my blogs. These people happen to be Deaf, deaf, hard of hearing and hearing. Nothing new there.

This is a problem on the internet because it's easy to judge people from behind a screen and thus I must remind myself constantly the caveats of using the internet versus meeting people in person which can result in a totally different perspective about the person. Each person who reads a blog read it differently than the next person. The reader forms a picture about the blogger. And if it's something that the reader doesn't like about the blog piece for whatever reason it can leave a negative impression about the blogger based on his or her interpretation. But the next reader may come off with a positive impression. No matter what, people will either like the blog piece or not. Despite that fact what doesn't do any good is to target people like Deafpundit did by calling certain known deaf, hh, and Deaf bloggers the a-wordism. Only this time people are attempting to use the a-wordism as the de facto reason or guideline for removal from Deafread under the guise of "non-conformity." In other word, finding another way to encourage censorship. This is just as bad when John advocated for the removal of "deficit thinkers" from Deafread. Like Ann said, "but oh, what a headache to enforce such guidelines." I agree.  And I think it all boils down to absolute control one way or another come hell or high waters. 

In case you're wondering at this point on why I'm writing the word "a-wordism," it's my way of disagreeing on how such a word is used against other people for political and ideological purposes in the attempt to harm people whether done consciously or subconsciously because of prejudice or hate.  I recognize that discrimination does exist against people who are deaf and hard of hearing which is why I favor technology to help bridge that communication gap. I favor all kinds of communication and language access because there is no one shoe size fits all.  It is a complex issue in a complex community of people with hearing loss from all walks of life.

As for Deafread, perhaps people would rather see the aggregator site die and shut down for good rather than see it continue as it were? Maybe it's time that Tayler shut down his site once and for all? Maybe it's time that Tayler repent to the Deaf gods for his transgressions and get his 50 lashes across his back?

Poppycock.

Fiddlesticks.

Piffle.

Drivel.

Twaddle!

26 comments:

Candy said...

Love them words!

balderdash, yup the dash part would be interesting with a British accent, only by those who can hear, unfortunately. Gawd, I wish some of my deaf friends can hear, sometimes. And I sincerely mean that in a nice way. It's not A-wordism is it? Some minds can be a funny thing...

Let's see, what else tickles my funny bone..

humbuggery! yup.

hooey! yup. Did ya know that hearings are considered hoos and in Europe, they have a sign for that which comes close to hooey! Love that.

Taradiddle is another funny one. lol

Piffle, hahahaha

Absolutely Gobsmack! whoo!

I agree, it is so easy for people to judge others behind a screen. They don't know me. Don't know you. I don't really know you either, other than what I see on your posts. Ya know? tsk tsk

It's funny, how they keep coming back and wasting their time. Precious time they could use to promote sign language in a positive way. I'm doing that all the time in the real world, and I have not experienced oppression in a LONG time. What world are they living in ??

Great post and thanks for the laughs, Mike. ;o)

Anonymous said...

Reversed Audism and Persecution Complex Syndrome

At this point, someone will always say, "But two wrongs don't make a right.”

If it was wrong to treat visual-centric deaf unfairly, then it is wrong to give visual-centric deaf preference and thereby treat auditory-centric deaf unfairly.

In another and different manner, if it was wrong to treat auditory-centric deaf unfairly, then it is wrong to give auditor-centric deaf preference and thereby treat visual-centric deaf unfairly.

One of the few rules I try to live my life by, and fail every day trying, is to follow the Golden Rule @ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ethic_of_reciprocity

There will always be some oppressed or arrogant people take exceptions to the Golden Rule, and bring forth their flawed logic arguments that the Golden Rule is wrong.

We cannot help any older generation of deaf who suffered under AGB educational program, and gained better life once they discover sign language and still hating and blaming AGB their language problem because they have some persecution complex issues to deal with.

The truth is that, on a day-to-day basis, living by the Golden Rule will make you a better person, will make those around you happier, and will make the community you live in a better place.

Why not we live and breathe with the Golden Rule? You will be amaze how it will make our fragile and fragmented deaf community more united into a whole community.

J.J. said...

Hi Mike,

I wouldn't call any of your posts "audistic". You certainly have a different POV and I, for one, welcome that POV here at deafread.com. While your posts aren't "audistic" technically, I see them as mud slinging towards the Pro-ASL crowd. You are known to put up sensational blog titles that will bait any Pro-ASL visitor on deafread.com. You seem to have some sort of misdirected anger towards the Pro-ASL crowd...that is at least what I interpret to be the tone of your blog entries. For example, I felt that you were grasping at straws when you went out of your way to paint an ugly picture of your Alma Mater, Gallaudet University. Over the last 6-8 months I have read blog entries about how Gallaudet was place where folks drank A LOT of liquor/vomited all over the place (http://kokonutpundits.blogspot.com/2011/02/deaf-and-alcoholism.html), ranked high amongst other colleges for reported rapes (http://kokonutpundits.blogspot.com/2011/01/gallaudet-university-ranked-5-on-number.html), and the most hysterical of all...how Gally had bad environmental grades (http://kokonutpundits.blogspot.com/2011/04/gallaudet-university-gets-bad-grades-on.html).

I found the above blog entries a little bit desperate like you NEEDED to be negative towards the Pro-ASL crowd. I might be wrong, but I am telling you that was my INTERPRETATION of the tone emanating from your blog.

Then on the other hand you constantly preach diversity and respect for all modalities and staunchly support the right of parents to choose the best modality for their deaf child.

It is hard to take you seriously sometimes when you seemingly go out of your way to criticize pro-ASL people, institutions, clubs, conventions, and so forth... To make it clear...you have EVERY RIGHT to criticize the pro-ASL crowd..god knows they aren't perfect..but maybe you could balance your criticism a bit better?

Well...you asked me for my 2 cents...(shrugs)

Mike said...

Against pro-ASL people? Pretty convenient for you to say that, JJ, when I've blogged and/or done interviews covering Greg Gunderson, Matt Hamill, Evelyn Glennie, Dummy Hoy, Steve Sandy, Marlee Matlin, Pres. Hurwitz, Steven Hlibok, Judy Vardon, Amy Cohen, Kristi Merriweather, and few more in a positive light and support of them.

I even signed in several videos, too. OMG! (of course, I spoke, too). My wife signs in ASL and taught classes in ASL, too! Gee whiz. There's even my one year old daughter in a video her signing. Maybe I should delete my Z4 VP software?

The alcoholism blog I did was a recount on what I saw back in 1988 in my freshman dormitory Benson Hall. It was not about what went on throughout the campus but what I saw frequently in my dormitory almost every weekend. I specifically said Benson Hall. I can't say on what was happening elsewhere but I know what I saw in my own dormitory building each weekend. In my blog I was relating to an article I recently read at the time which prompted me to write about it. So, excuse me for including an experience that I witnessed repeatedly at dorm that I could relate with that article.

Are you selective on what you want to read or what?

As for rape, it is a serious issue. For it to happen on campus is a serious issue. I bring it up and increase the awareness. Unless you are suggesting that I should not cover rapes at Gallaudet? I've a few friends of mine who were raped at Gallaudet. My wife tells me of her friends who confided in her that they were raped at Gallaudet. And in my research, I've found even more telling numbers that point to an underlying and serious problem at Gallaudet, and I'm supposed to ignore those findings? Please, get real.

The environmental grade thing, sure, it was hysterical....until I saw how other universities were doing so much better. That made me wonder.

I've had pro-ASL people and friends who liked what I blogged and vlogged (signing and speaking).

Perhaps your sensibilities hinge on the delicate side more than you care to admit?

Mike said...

RLM,

Again, I've told you before. You're not welcomed in here. And you should know why, too.

J.J. said...

Mike,

Perhaps the "pro-ASL" label is incorrect for this discussion. How about the "Deafhood" group, then? I am fully aware that you sign and I have seen some of your vlogs. I know you aren't anti-ASL per se, but I said you seemed to have an negative attitude and criticized the "Deafhood" folks. As for the Gally stuff, the first story about Benson Hall was OK..it was your experience...then you brought up the rapes and the environmental entries. Now, rape is a serious issue and not a joking matter....BUT what made me wonder was why didn't you compare it vs. other colleges? Why did you target Gally? Is it because it's arguably the "Mecca of the ASL signing community"? As for being selective in what I read...I am not selective, but I also don't have all the time in the world to read everything posted in these parts. However, I found the Gally entries from a simple quick look at your archives...I don't even have to go back 6 months to see titles like:

"The Death of Deafread"
"Quit yer bitchin"
"The million dollar whine..."
"Incestuous Realtionships in the YouTube Deaf community"
"The Suckees and the Suckers"
"Having a fit over Deaf Trash"
"Having an apoplectic fit over 'ASL Failed'"
"Deafhood truth?"
"Professionalism or name calling?"
"Hood"
"NAD less?"
"The coming collapse of NAD?"
"Hoodless..."
"Deaf Twitter Cyberbullies?"
"Hear the world...and the whining"
"The 'cultish' test - Parts I & II"
"Hitler was a competent extremist"
"Aborting a deaf baby"
"A deaf person's fear of hearing people"

(I stopped looking after March)

The above titles are only from the last 3 months...

So, what's your deal with the "deafhood" crowd exactly? Did they steal your lunch money? Really...I am curious as to why you have painted a big bull's eye on the "deafhood" crowd? I even thought your "DH, no thanks" page on FB was funny...and it was hysterical when Don G thought you got real monetary donations... but humor aside...what's your beef exactly?

My BIGGEST issue with deafread.com is that folks like to talk about, "THEM", "THEY", "THOSE PEOPLE", and/or "THAT GROUP" when our deaf community is incredibly diverse . Also, folks always seem to focus on the EXTREMISTS on both ends and seemingly have lost the focus on the bigger picture which is that most of us are moderates and cool with people of all modalities.

Mike said...

Deafhood group? How can it be a "group" when "deafhood" is supposed to be, philosophically so, about a journey of a person with a hearing loss? But the word "deafhood" was manifested as a result of ideological and political pushing rather than purely as a raw philosophical concept for any person with a hearing loss. Not exactly walking the talk as I have observed. Instead, they made it into a political game that has nothing to do with deaf or hard of hearing people but about deaf culture. Which is why I said repeatedly that a person's journey is a deeply private and personal journey that requires no defining. It is just is. No reason to have a description just to feel "whole." Hence, "Deafhood? No thanks."

JJ, why so enamored and focused on the titles of my blogs? Have you ignored the messages and points I've made in my blogs?

Again, sounds like you haven't followed my blogs in previous years and it's more of recent thing. I have done a three part series on rapes at Gallaudet University, and other secondary deaf schools. The recent blog I did happened to be a continuation that focused on Gallaudet University and other colleges for comparison purposes. Yes, I did compare colleges.

I focus on Gallaudet because I went there. What else? I have something to compare my thoughts and experiences, and the things I know about Gallaudet University. I already have a frame of reference.

Ann said...

Think the word "control" is what's driving this discussion.

Some ppl have complained that DR is supposed to be for them, Deaf culture. Tayler offered DeafSide and they didn't want it. DonG has stated that it was rejected because it had the same prominence as Deaf Extra, the "back pages". Dunno if that's the truth or not.

Other Deaf aggregators came and went, and many of us saw a lot of infighting occur in those aggregators. So far, DeafCube seems to be surviving, maybe because of serious, considerate moderation. Can't please everybody, not the easiest job for any aggregator.

DR actually created a feature for any viewer to CONTROL what he wants to see, but unfortunately few ppl use it. Some ppl just gotta go see what different views say and jump in the comment section to start a flame.

Yet some ppl want DR to police and CONTROL those bloggers whose views are seen as anti-ASL, anti-Deaf culture, anti-Deafhood, anti-
Deaf-anything, and in DP's words, a*distic.

Herein lies the problem, if DR were to do that, then some of those policed bloggers are going to demand that DR police and CONTROL those bloggers whose views are seen as anti-LSL, anti-oralism, anti-deaf-anything, and reflect "deafism".

In other words, the "anti-'s" have the show and the antagonists take over. Nobody wins.

And DR would go down the tubes fast.

Ann_C

J.J. said...

Mike,

I'll agree that the term "Deafhood" has been abused to the point where it seems to suggest DoD folks or the "closed society" folks, but it is not what it was meant for. It was meant as a personal journey into discovering your deaf identity. Maybe "THEY" aren't walking the talk, but does that mean you should reject the concept of Deafhood? Why not pick up Ladd's book and read it? (Disclaimer: I haven't read it yet, but my mind remains open to it.)

My point about your blog titles is that they were created to bait the "Deafhood" crowd. And I am asking WHY? You are saying on one hand, "DH, No thanks" and on the other hand you aren't passing up the chance to sling mud as if you are interested?

As for Gally, I didn't feel that you compared it vs. other colleges. I felt that you targeted Gally specifically and looked for ANYTHING bad about Gally. Why not make blogs about the good parts of Gally? Then again, negativity drives the news these days...so can't really blame you. I just felt that your Gally entries were a thinly veiled shot at the "Deafhood" crowd.

Last, but not least...tell me who is "THEY"? Who do you identify as not walking the talk in the "Deafhood" group? And why? Offer specific links? Just curious....I bet if you collected that information, it wouldn't be more than 3-4 people in the entire deaf blogsphere.

Happy 4th of July.

-JJ

Mike said...

JJ,

I have no use for the word "deafhood" or "Deafhood."

Ladd's book is a description of his own journey. And that's fine. My journey is unique and separate from everybody else's. My own journey is a deeply personal one. There's no need to explain that very simple idea.

Those titles somewhat summarize what's inside my blog. Sure, it's a way to get people attention but so what? Why are you complaining so much about my titles?

Yes, I did compare to other colleges in the ranking. I guess, Gallaudet has a long way to go to improve their standing. You call it "negativity" but I call it bringing it to attention to my readers.

The "they" are those who promote "DH." Let me know when they actually put up several workshops at HLAA's (SHHH) convention, AGBELL's convention, hearing aid/cochlear implant convention, have voice interpreters, real time captioning, etc.... and then maybe they'll get to the point of actually walking the talk. Which brings me to say this, "Deafhood? No thanks," because my journey is already a deeply personal one.

Mike said...

DC (addressing a known lurker),

Nice of you to stop by but instead of ranting on what you don't know, it'd be best to consider the history first and the reason why some things are not allowed in here. To better understand, please click on the link above the comment box on "Rules on commenting click here."

Mike said...

BTW, JJ.

Happy 4th, too!!

mervynjames224 said...

I love the blogs on deaf.read personally, message boards are crap, twitter and Facebook riddled with people who have nothing really to say but insist on saying it anyway, or attack you ! Interestingly an message board closure at the BBC in the UK resulted in an almost total condemnation and refusal to use social sites instead they were advised. Been there done that it is full of people with nothing to say, even with 140 chars....

Anonymous said...

JJ, I'd like to respond to your question about who "THEY" are. They are the leaders of the Deafhood Foundation itself. Ironic, isn't it? The one person that comes to mind is the founder, Ella Mae Lentz. Let me be clear. Ella, aside from her activism, is a pretty nice person. I greatly respect her talents and achievements. She is free to say and do whatever she feels is appropriate for deaf people. I'm not stopping her, and I'm not bashing her. At. All.

However, I can't help but be horrified by her YouTube videos under "ASL Ella." I get that she is opposed to organizations that promote listening and spoken language, such as the AG Bell Association. That is her right. At the same time, it seems hypocritical to assail parents of deaf children and deaf/hh individuals if their own personal Deafhood journey took them on the oral path.

Deafhood, as I understand it, is about embracing one's personal journey to a happy, satisfied, positive Deaf identity. Yet, apparently that very personal journey is only considered valid if the person embraces Deaf Culture and ASL. Anything else is awdism, oppression, and "box ear box mouth."

Like Mike said earlier, just because one chooses oralism doesn't mean they reject ASL, and vice versa. Ella's vlogs have made it crystal clear that she does not accept any form of oralism, period. That implies exclusion of oral deaf, adults and children, as well. According to the Deafhood foundation, there can be no good outcome from using oral methods, despite evidence to the contrary.

Ella is not the only Deafhood supporter who publicly rejects all forms of oralism. I think it's fair to say that the people who have at one time or another attempted to restrict Deafread's inclusion of blogs about speech, hearing, oralism, etc., have been affiliated with Deafhood.

Another Anonymous

Mike said...

Thank you, anony @6:31

Mike said...

Also, I realize that discrimination does exist in all shape and sizes and that deaf and hard of hearing people do get discriminated. Why include a "speshul" word just for people with hearing loss on discrimination? Doing so will only encourage people to use and abuse the a-wordism/a-wordistic as a way to falsely accuse people that has no merit to begin with. It reeks of desperation.

Mike said...

Ann, I agree about what you said on the control issue. They are getting desperate by targeting individuals and making it personal.

I see how people who do whine loudly and the fact they do go out of their way to make personal attacks rather than make coherent and compelling arguments. That's the very thing why I don't approve the a-wordism or a-wordistic because it has been used to falsely and blithely accuse people as their source of weapon when they cannot simply disagree. Sometimes people actually believe in their own justifications and nonsense as a reason to say those things simply because I have these opinions that are not popular with their line of thinking. This is how militant-like attitudes get developed and gets out of hand.

D.Jeff said...

target individuals? you're funny...

it is okay mike,...your actions and words speak for themselves,...

you're a hoot!

yeehaw!

Mike said...

Jeff, yes, target people over a difference of opinions that don't jive. This is easily seen whenever an argument cannot be presented do deaf/hh people resort to pulling the a-wordism card on another deaf/hh person and make it personal. Credibility is lost when the effort focuses on the messenger and not the message. You of all people should know that. If you cannot do that, then why bother in the first place? What do you gain by making it personal? Hmmmmm? Disagreeing is one thing, but to make it a personal issue out of it does not bode well mentally.

D.Jeff said...

Mike,

A difference of opinion is certainly fine.

most indeed.

yet would it not be safe to say that your opinion looks down on deaf people?

i mean, really, u have an opinion that deaf people are pretty much ignorant of the hearing world and you believe that because they are not receptive of a society that expects them to be something they aren't, they're dysfunctional.


What makes u think those "deaf" people can't learn?

me curious

Mike said...

I've an opinion that deaf and hard of hearing people can be anything they want regardless of what the hearing world think of them. They've been proven wrong time and time again from the likes of Greg Gunderson, Matt Hamill, Evelyn Glennie, Dummy Hoy, Steve Sandy, Marlee Matlin, Pres. Hurwitz, Steven Hlibok, Stephen Hopson, Lou Ferigno, Josh Swiller, Michael Chorost, and many more. The very people I've covered in my blogs.

Really, Jeff. Grow a pair. Stop being a pansy with your constant knee jerking over these obscure conspiracy theories of yours.

D.Jeff said...

just curious,...

no mas.

Mike said...

Just curious?

Hogwash when you made this statement: "What makes u think those "deaf" people can't learn?"

Like I said, grow a pair instead of lobbing such nonsense.

Rob said...

The whole "Deaf identity" is a sad nonsense, a social fallacy like gay identity. People who are deaf or HoH and who can speak and/or sign are just people like us every day people, except not hearing well enough and have to live with the hearing loss for as long as they can put up with. They could deal with the hearing loss by seeking technological devices to help them hear better or using sign language to communicate or employ simplistic means such as writing down, typing, or lip-reading, face-to-face. There are many ways to deal with it and still come out just fine.

Do those culturally Deaf people ever sign to others, "Hi, I'm Deaf, my name is John," instead of saying "Hi, my name is John, nice to meet you,"?

The obsession with Deaf identity is bordering on fanaticism and it can lead to a loss of real, personal identity. It makes them less human and more like those who committed to jihad in the name of a great cause.

Anonymous said...

I could also state the situation in the other direction. Deaf/hh people who prefer speaking and listening (regardless of whether they are also fluent in ASL, and have a Deaf wife and Deaf friends) are considered to be hearing wanna-be's. Deafhood supporters call them colonized and dysconscious awdists who have been brainwashed by AG Bell and OOOO (Oral Only No Other Option). Cochlear implant manufacturers, surgeons, hearing aid manufacturers, audiologists, speech teachers, oral schools, etc., are all elements of a massive anti-deaf machine bent on eliminating deafness, Deaf people, and ASL. and lining their pockets with money in the process. I'm not making this up. These are Ella's exact words. According to her, there is no middle ground: One is either Deafhood, or one is an awdist.

it isn't mudslinging to point out these public statements by Ella. I watch all her vlogs. I haven't taken any of her statements out of context. they may not be on the Deafhood web site, but they are on ASL Ella's YouTube channel.

it isn't awdism to point out what Ella and other Deafhood supporters have said about Marlee Matlin and her support of the Starkey Hearing Foundation. it isn't awdism to point out facts about Gallaudet University. I *get* that Deaf people are protective of our cultural institutions. Yet, by saying rapes have happened at Gallaudet, that it means Deaf people are bad, Gallaudet is bad, and I disrespect Deaf people by saying so, simply... isn't... logical.

Deafhood supporters feel that their cultural values, way of life, and very being have been and are under attack by so-called technological and medical advances. And so, they react in emotional rather than logical ways, such as Jeffrey did here. I understand where he's coming from. Yet, they don't seem to realize that Deaf Culture and ASL have survived the horrors of Milan 1880, oralism, and the use of hearing aids.

I liked what the first Anonymous @6:01 pm said about "We cannot help any older generation of deaf who suffered ... and still hating and blaming AGB their language problem because they have some persecution complex issues to deal with."

That's exactly what's going on. That's why folks like Ella, Jeffrey, DonG, et al, deserve our compassion rather than our scorn. Like you said Mike, they talk the talk but don't walk the walk. If they are examples of Deafhood, I don't want any part of it.

Another Anonymous

Ann said...

You've said it, Another Anony, with your statement:

"Like Mike said earlier, just because one chooses oralism doesn't mean they reject ASL, and vice versa. Ella's vlogs have made it crystal clear that she does not accept any form of oralism, period."

Just because one chooses oralism doesn't mean they reject ASL, and vice-versa. I have always stated that just because I chose to stay oral deaf doesn't mean I reject ASL. I know that ASL has helped some deaf ppl achieve language on the same level of those deaf who are successful in spoken English.

Just as there are successes on both sides, there are failures on both sides as well. That is what you and others have said. Oral deaf failures have multiple reasons, and can't be attributed to A. Great. Bad. organization only. But that is what Ella and other DH proponents want hearing parents and oral deaf to believe. What about the reasons why ASL fails to teach proper grammar and syntax, for example? How much emphasis do parents put on reading English, etc?

So, perspective is relative.

Ann_C