Expanded close up:
"...sound settings automatically turned off because I don't need sound to make my vlogs!"I never heard of a laptop that can turn off sound automatically but certainly it can manually be turned off. But that doesn't matter. What we have here is that DonG is either lying or he doesn't really know that the microphone is actually turned on and assumed it was turned off when he made his video. I think it's the latter. The sound of a dish washing machine can obviously be heard with its washing sound in the background immediately once DonG shows up in his video after the intro. The washing machine sound continues throughout the whole video with an occassional sound of gurgling water from it. If that doesn't convince you perhaps this will:
At the 0:23 seconds mark he signs the word "pick" and you can hear his hand slap against his other hand.
At the 0:58 seconds mark he signs "whole" and you can hear his right hand slapping against his left hand.
At the 1:42 mark you can hear him slap his hands doing the sign for "negative."
At the 1:51 mark you can hear him slap his right hand into his left hand for the sign "identity."
Beyond the 2 minute mark you can hear him smack his lips on occassion.
At the 2:58 mark you can actually hear the washing machine go through a different washing cycle as it actually gets louder. The washing continues throughout the rest of the video.
At the 3:18 mark you can hear him when he signs "defective" (i.e. "negative" sign) against his hands.
So, what does this all mean? Well, the microphone was indeed turned on and DonG had no clue. Ask anyone who can hear.
As for the "control" response by DonG in YouTube? I'd say that Tayler Mayer is the master of that control in Deafread. Not DonG or anybody else. Besides, Tayler made it clear that Deafread wasn't meant to be a "deaf-centric" aggregator site. He made it clear in his website:
"One central reason for developing DeafRead is that Jared and I wanted to empower the deaf community; we wanted to allow everyone a voice, a place where people could speak out."When he says "everyone" he means everyone and not just for culturally deaf people only but deaf, hard of hearing, late deafened, pre-lingual, post-lingual, CODA, AGBell supporters, Tracy Clinic supporters, AVT supporters, parents of deaf/hh children, hearing people with an interest in deafness, cochlear implant users, hearing aid users, ASL supporters, SEE supporters, Bi-Bi supporters, oral/aural supporters and so on and so forth for those people to have a voice. This includes those who are against such supports. Not a monopoly but a voice for anyone who wants to be heard. What DonG is advocating is really about monopoly and censorship control which Deafread is not about.
What is censorship?
Censorship -- the control of the information and ideas circulated within a society -- has been a hallmark of dictatorships throughout history. In the 20th Century, censorship was achieved through the examination of books, plays, films, television and radio programs, news reports, and other forms of communication for the purpose of altering or suppressing ideas found to be objectionable or offensive. The rationales for censorship have varied, with some censors targeting material deemed to be indecent or obscene; heretical or blasphemous; or seditious or treasonous.What is monopoly?
"exclusive possession or control"In other words, I think this is a matter of some people who are afraid to allow the competition of ideas, arguments or commentaries and thus feel the only way to "win" is by force against Tayler's own conceptual idea of what Deafread is supposed to be all about by leaving or stopping/encouraging those from using Deafread. But one thing for sure, people will get to see less competition of ideas in Deafread's own aggregator site and those particular voices will become even more louder in Deafread.
What a bargain.
24 comments:
http://www.reddit.com/r/AskReddit/comments/iunif/why_does_so_much_of_the_deaf_community_want_to/
This is a very good discussion board off the most popular website, Reddit. this board comes with some very interesting viewpoints, and etc. You should review it and write about it.
Just curious, what does your commentary on sounds emanating from Don G's vlog have to do with anything? He didn't know, he made a mistake. So, tell him...end of story.
As for the MESSAGE...I remember that Tayler pitched the idea of "Deaf Side". I forget why the pro-ASL/Deafhood/Deaf Culture crowd did not take upon it?
I think "Deaf Side" would be interesting to see. I think it would be nice to discuss pro-ASL/Deafhood/Deaf Culture issues without "outside interference". I never understood why DVTV did not work for the pro-ASL crowd...it automatically blocks non-ASL users. I think Deafcube is the latest site now for the pro-ASL folks...I wouldn't know as I never really vlog or watch vlogs (just too much time).
Anyway, it was nice to see Don G come out and say that the pro-ASL crowd wants control...that's fine by me. I don't mind setting a part of the Internet aside for the pro-ASL crowd. My disagreements have to do with them wanting to control "DeafRead" which has always been all inclusive from day one.
Out of curiosity, I watched the video, turned up my speakers and felt them, and sure enough, you can feel some of the sounds you mentioned! Turning off the sound on a laptop does not turn off the microphone. I learned this lesson thankfully before turning in a movie project for college. I wonder how many other Deafies have inadvertently recorded sounds with their videos? Oops!
anony @10:55 PM,
I'm sure there are some who do inadvertently leave their microphone on but a commenter in YouTube already told Don that he can hear something (and it wasn't p*rn, either) and he proceeded to say that it wasn't possible since the sound was already "automatically turned off."
JJ, I think it's more than just wanting DeafRead to be more Deaf-centric. if that was true, all they had to do was go ahead and make their own aggregator. And some new ones did appear, like DeafCube and whatnot.
But more than that, the very same people who want DeafRead to be Deaf-Centered also want those "other" people to just...go... away. They think that anyone who is interested in, or dares to promote oralism, listening and spoken language (LSL), AG Bell, cued speech, etc., and/or says anything the slightest bit negative about schools for the deaf, Gallaudet, ASL, etc., is advocating for the literal Death of Deafness.
People like DrDonG and the DeafHooders don't want anyone to read anything that could be construed as negative about being deaf. That's the control they want.
Yeah, good luck with that. (scoffs)
Another Anonymous
I have to agree with anony @1:02 AM.
Clearly all the sounds going on around Don show one thing: Don is DEAF! Who knew?
Most importantly, who cares? (apparently you do, given the in-depth sound analysis given in your article.)
You missed Don's main point: do you like the images of Deaf people as shown in media? Do you like how hearing media portrays Deaf people as helpless, uneducated idiots?
If not, then we Deafies have to take control of these images and produce the images we want the hearing society to see.
I don't have any prob with cultural Deaf wanting to have an aggregator that caters to Deaf culture.
What I do have a prob with is the tendency of some d/Deaf ppl putting down OTHER WAYS TO BE DEAF OR HOH, whether it involves Deaf culture, ASL and/or spoken language, DOD or hearing family background, hearing technology or not, and Deaf school or mainstreamed education.
I know all too well that hearing ppl have put down d/Deaf ppl, sign language, Deaf culture, deaf's weird speech, poor educations, SSI benefits, and so on. But just because they feel put down shouldn't mean that d/Deaf ppl have to resort to the same putting-down behavior on THEIR OWN DEAF, whether they're culturally Deaf or deaf/HOH.
What a waste of energy.
Direct the put-downs where they belong, to hearing ppl or institutions that flagrantly oppress d/Deaf ppl, whether they're culturally Deaf or deaf/ HOH who speak. The closed-captioning issue illustrates how both culturally Deaf and deaf/HOH ppl have come together on a common issue.
Some deaf and HOH say they have benefited from AGBell or oralist backgrounds, others say not. Some Deaf say they have benefited from using ASL and the culture the language has generated, others say not. In the end, we're d/Deaf and that by itself should engender respect for one's choices in life.
But that doesn't seem to happen online.
Ann_C
Um, another poster pointed out to him that he left his microphone on. He said, no..."impossible."
I've not missed any of his points. The thing is that Tayler Mayer already stated what Deafread is for and it's certainly not a "Deaf-centric" only aggregator site.
If you want to maintain "control" then go ahead and produce your own aggregator site specifically for that reason. But you won't. Instead, you prefer to bully Tayler around in the hope to gain control of Deafread to your exact specifications.
Don isn't really deaf. He can hear some, he chose to take his hearing aid off to prove a point or, most likely to fit in with the deaf centric crowd in the Bay Area. I hope he didn't throw his hearing aid down the toilet. It could come in handy for him one day. Especially if he has hearing kids, just wait til they become teenagers. I would know. ;o)
I may be going off the point a bit..but when WFD came up with a flag design to represent deaf people (I'd think it was to represent WFD??), apparently a couple of self proclaimed designers didn't like the design so they came up with their own as a suggestion (or in hopes many will recommend their design) that consist of a hand. Question here, is WFD deaf centric? Do they represent all deaf people using all languages and all forms of communication? Why the hand? It is not all inclusive of all deaf people, that's for sure.
That is what we are seeing, time and time again. Big emphasis on "deaf-centric" when in fact, these days if we are to go to a deaf event where many deaf are using their hands, we will also see many using total communication, SimCom, SEE, SE, PSE and yes, even ASL! Not to mention, people wearing devices such as HAs and C.I.
Time to embrace all. Embrace all and focus on issues we all agree on. Captioning? The possibilities are endless! It is time to work with other organization on issues that we all agree on.
NAD speaks of "diversity" for their leadership conference in MN, I'm curious what has taken place. I hope Diversity for NAD means, accepting and respecting ALL deaf/hh people.
Candy,
I don't think WFD actually represents all those with hearing loss from mild to profound whether deaf or hard of hearing because the majority of people with hearing loss still depend on a great deal on verbal, auditory and text (e.g. captioning) communications and not on sign language. This would be true if WFD make themselves completely a "deaf-centric" organization.
Mike..
WFD's focus is on deaf people who use sign language.
I guess they are deaf-centric.
Figures.. I, ahem, sounded off on Don's recent blog (one about 'not censorship').
Basically I told him to follow his own media examples by leaving DeafRead alone. And advocating limited speech where advocation is unwanted by owner is indeed censorship.
He didn't allow the comment through, umm... censorship? Then again, I posted anonymously but what's the harm in that comment?
@MIchele
Are you aware of countries doing exactly what you said? For example, China citizens and media are forbidden to talk about certain topics. Why? Because China wants to keep a *cough* clean image, when its really about government control. This is pure control and censorship.
Control vs Censorship, typically:
Control your end, its not censorship. Control their end, it is censorship.
Candy,
If that's the case then they cannot represent all people with hearing loss.
anon @ 12:02 AM,
I see nothing wrong in making those comments. I sense a little insecurity and defensiveness over there in his latest vlog.
Not only is advocating limited speech when advocation is UNWANTED by the owner of Deafread which is correctly called as censorship, it's the bullying and demanding that censorship must take place for the sake of sharing particular POVs only. Now, if they are not satisfied with Tayler's website, people are more than welcomed to set up an alternative aggregator website that focus only on "Deaf-centric" POVs in their blog/vlog discussions. It isn't a POV if your aim is to force/bully/coerce/embarrass the owner of an aggregator website to try and get him to follow their specific Deaf-centric POVs. DonG has it all backward. It's rather disingenuous for him to discuss POVs as not being censorship when the real problem here is the attempt to force a change on Tayler and get him to acquiescence to the demands that only "Deaf-centric" POVs be allowed in HIS own aggregator website. Little DonG is, again, being disingenuous and dishonest over there in his latest YouTube vlog. This one here is a no brainer.
to Ann_C at 3:30 a.m.: I actually don't have any problem at all with any deaf or hh person, of any flavor, thinking any thoughts they want. If someone wants to put down other deaf/hh people of any flavor, go right ahead. It's not nice, but perhaps not everyone will agree about niceness. Personally, I don't have time to be anyone's Thought Police, and I definitely don't have time to be a "China" by telling everyone else what to do, think, say, feel, blog, or vlog in order to maintain a cleam image. I certainly don't want to have any kind of "control," even if such a thing were possible, over someone else's Point of View (POV). In my opinion, groups who want to spend their energies protesting at AG Bell Assn conventions are within their rights do so. If AGB writes letters to Pepsi about the fact that not all deaf people use sign language, so what? it's true, and no amount of denials will make it less true.
When I disagree with someone, I let them alone. live and let live. there's more than one way to be deaf. that's all there is to it.
Another Anonymous
Two things here.
Don lies. The history of his vlogs will tell us that he's done it before. That's no surprise.
Secondly, anytime anybody says he or she wants some control. It means one thing. They don't have it. They lack control therefore they seek it. This was good to know DonG does not have control over his own culture.
As for the sound thing... evidently he does not have control over his mic either. LOL.
Well, Barry, they left en masse (and some trickle afterwards) Deafread complaining loudly on the way out saying it wasn't "Deaf-centric" enough thinking that's all the control they needed. Problem is, they were never in control of Deafread in the first place. Good thing, too.
@Mike 3:19: AMEN!
Barry: excellent point.
DeafRead human editors, if you're reading this, keep right on doing what you are doing.
While I can't hear it in actuality, I imagine I would love the sound of gnashing teeth. ;)
Another Anonymous
"When I disagree with someone, I let them alone. live and let live. there's more than one way to be deaf. that's all there is to it."
Exactly.
Cultural Deaf can put up a Deaf-centric aggregator of their own and control it the way they want, and say not-so-nice things about other deaf, AGBell, etc all they want. Not gonna go and demand that we deaf and HOH call those not-so nice cracks about oral deaf and oralists as deafism and attempt to "control" that aggregator.
DR's owner has been specific about what some ppl call a*dism in DR are actually a form of Deaf-centric censorship and attempt at control. Tayler has kept DR as an all-inclusive d/Deaf aggregator.
Well, there are some Deaf ppl who won't leave well enough alone, as they're still attacking Tayler and DR for what now, two years?
Barry's point "They lack control therefore they seek it" is an interesting one.
As for Michele's comment: "Do you like how hearing media portrays Deaf people as helpless, uneducated idiots?"
No, I don't-- but that's not Tayler's job nor does it say anywhere in DR's policy/ guidelines that the cultivation of a positive "d/Deaf image" is paramount. DR is a d/Deaf v/blog aggregator, not an "image broker" that polices what can or cannot be said about d/Deaf ppl.
Ann_C
Michele said: "Do you like how hearing media portrays Deaf people as helpless, uneducated idiots?"
Whoa. talk about the glass being either half-full and half-empty. I can't recall the last time I saw or read in the mainstream media a deaf person portrayed as an idiot. How long ago was this, do you think? 1930s, '40s, '50s? Examples, anyone?
Positive deaf role models seem to receive their fair share of media attention, especially TV. Just look at the ubiquitous Marlee Matlin. I can hardly turn on the TV without seeing her in one thing or another. Deaf characters have been popping up on TV shows with some frequency for at least 10 years now. Think "Sue Thomas," Sho Stern, "Mr. Holland's Opus," and so on and so forth. I loved Sho's occasional appearances on "Lie to Me." Oh wait, she communicates orally on that show and is praised for her lipreading ability. Guess that doesn't count.
I don't know where Michele gets her perspectives. Perhaps she is tilting at windmills?
(If you were curious what that means: "Tilting at windmills is an English idiom which means attacking imaginary enemies, or fighting unwinnable or futile battles. The word “tilt”, in this context, comes from jousting.
The phrase is sometimes used to describe confrontations where adversaries are incorrectly perceived, or courses of action that are based on misinterpreted or misapplied heroic, romantic, or idealistic justifications." [from Wikipedia])
Another Anonymous
anony @6:49 PM,
Not only is she tilting at windmills, she is also targeting Deafread as the equivalent of "how hearing media portray Deaf people as helpless, uneducated idiots." And then comically proceeded with her comment "then we Deafies have to take control of these images and produce the images we want the hearing society to see."
The solution is simple. Create your own "Deaf-centric" only blog/vlog aggregator website instead of braying like a pack of jackasses. Tayler made it clear that his aggregator site wasn't meant to be "Deaf-centric." Don't like the competition, create your own aggregator site that fits your idealogy.
you want comical? try this on for size:
the relentless attacks on the AG Bell Assn., because of Bell's association with the eugenics movement of his time, and indirect association with Nazism in the early 20th century. Eugenics was widely popular and actively practiced all over the world, and against many groups considered "inferior," not just the deaf. Bell wasn't alone in his promotion of eugenics - other intelligent and respectable people who believed in it included Winston Churchill, Margaret Sanger, H. G. Wells, Theodore Roosevelt, George Bernard Shaw, John Maynard Keynes, and Linus Pauling. Thankfully, eugenics is now understood to be a human rights violation and widely renounced.
Boycotting AGB and similar organizations is like boycotting German products (Mercedes Benz, Volkswagen, Krupp) because they used slave labor during WWII, or the Coca-Cola company because they used to put cocaine in their product.
I wish the AGB-bashers would leave the past in the past and fast-forward into the 21st century. The battles that were fought to defeat eugenics have already been won. Life is infinitely better for deaf/hh people than it was during Bell's time.
Another Anonymous
Another Anony,
If you're referring to the protests taking place against AGBell at its Washington D.C. Symposium this past week, they're protesting primarily at what they consider to be current audistic practices, namely cochlear implantation, emphasizing LSL but not ASL, etc. Unfortunately Milan 1880 tends to creep in there amongst current grievances.
Bashing an organization based on its exposed past practices or on its dead founders' beliefs is a lot like tilting at windmills, since you mentioned the term.
You've heard of Godwin's Law surely. There needs to be a "Godwin's Law" for the calling up of the Milan 1880 ghost one time too many. It's a drill routine with some d/Deaf ppl.
Many hearing ppl go "Milan what?" today. Never "heard" of it.
Ironic, ain't it?
Ann_C
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