Friday, September 24, 2010

Deafhood - religion like?

Recently over the last few days based on comments I received in my blogs I had the realization about how some people follow "deafhood" to such an extreme. How extreme? That depends. One commenter named "Kim" had this to say about "Deaf culture" in one of my most recent blog where she discussed "deafhood" and religion:
Language and religion are definitely huge. While we can't say that Deaf people have their own separate religion, their fervent belief in the Deafhood experience almost seems like a religion sometimes.
There it is. Religion and "deafhood" in the same sentence. So that got me thinking.

Kim soon clarified the next day on what she meant by what she said earlier.

Judging by v/blog posts (and comments) it seems like there's this strong fanatical, almost religious-like movement of Paddy Ladd worshippers who spout passages from his book like it's the Holy Bible of Deaf existence. So when people like Mike here ask questions, such as "is there a Deaf culture," there is a tendency among those "few" to over react, and sometimes they accuse him (and others) of not being Deaf since he doesn't seem to believe the right thing.
Candy also followed up about the whole oralism thing segueing into "deafhood" in that same blog.

This one need to be documented and published in the deaf blog as part of deaf history of deafhood and how they really are taking Paddy Ladd's colonialism too far. I suggest you all view Ella's comment number 41 in ASLrocks. It is a must viewing to see how delusional this deafhood thinking is. There is this evidence right there that indicates that dh is all about going after this oralism system rather than a personal journey to find one's deaf center.
Is there a conflict of interest here regarding certain "deafhood leaders"?

Let's look behind Curtain #1 about the Deafhood Foundation and you'll find a familiar name as who those board members are, and quickly you'll get to the "Vision" part where it says:
The Deafhood Foundation will provide financial, educational and social opportunities to end the economic exploitation of Deaf people. The Foundation aims to free the world from a*dism and recreate a society where everyone experiences full humanity and celebrates Sign Language.
So, this "deafhood" isn't about celebrating individual's own identity and personal journey wherever it goes even if it means identifying and embracing oralism and excluding ASL but about the attempt to wipe out oralism, avdism and have sign language to take its place instead according to one "deafhood leader"? Even though oralism has shown to be beneficial in many cases (even I have benefitted tremendously from it, too):

Deaf individuals who use Oralism have "proficiency with spoken language and . . . have an average reading ability . . . of thirteen to fourteen-year-old levels, which is approximately double the national average for all children who are deaf" (Stone 2). Furthermore, programs using Oralism generally have strong academic curricula resulting in high achievement levels and more students who go on to complete secondary or higher education programs (Schwartz 167-168). This also results in "more social, educational, and work opportunities . . . [and] to a more fulfilling and independent adult lifestyle" (168). With such results, it can be understood why those who value education truly approve of Oralism. These benefits of Oralism allow deaf individuals to reap the educational benefits and equal opportunities that people such as Mary Wollstonecraft strived to obtain and society, particularly the Oralists, continue to cherish.
It is obvious that oralism has its own benefits and that many deaf and hard of hearing people have benefitted tremendously from that. I understand that there are those who fell between the cracks and how beneficial signing is on an emotional and social level. But that's beside the point here. If people simply cannot leave alone the philosophical concept of what a personal journey of a deaf or hh person is like but instead use it as foundation to push their own ideology while espousing for the "death of oralism" and so on certainly does give it a religion-like feel. A fanactical-like following.

If this continues then this whole "deafhood" thing will simply stay within the Deaf community circle that is mostly accepted by some Deaf people rather than seeing it accepted by the rest of the hearing loss population that is 33 times bigger than the Deaf population of some perhaps 900,000 Deaf people.  This acceptance by the bigger population will never happen if this fanaticism continues. This is the perception of what many people would probably see whether they're hearing, deaf or hh who happen to come across this whole "deafhood" drama. Especially seeing how some "leaders" and other "followers" would prop up this "deafhood journey" under the guise of a friendly non-profit Deaf organization while in the background advocate for the "death of oralism," use of ad hominems, harrassment (see Tayler Mayer's example who is the owner of Deafread) and such. No wonder other groups like "Deafhood? No Thanks" cropped up recently as a response to this whole mess.

Many people do cherish the free and independent thinking regarding the many hearing loss issues out there and recognize the fact that there is no one shoe size fits all when it comes to addressing hearing loss, modes of communication, education and language development. Especially in a period of time when technology has been a boon to help address communication, educational and language developments owing to the simple fact is that hearing loss range from mild to profound. The diversity is large and mixed out there.

As a closing, I liked what Kim said in my blog "You have to be hard of hearing to understand":

People like Ella can never understand what it's like to be me. I experienced a life time of hearing before my hearing began to decline. Those experiences made me who I am. Naturally I still identify with hearing people.
Through HLAA and ALDA, I am part of a growing, thriving, powerful mostly oral deaf community, and we don't care what Ella thinks.
And you know what?  Hearing Loss Association of America (HLAA) would certainly look to be the better organization to join when it comes to advocacy and support in a more neutral manner rather than wade into chest deep the hypocrisy, the conflict of interests, unprofessionalism, rogue followers and petty politics. And I'm certain people wouldn't want to be a part of an organization or group of people that has a religion-like feel to it seeing how some use an inquisition-like process whenever one states a view opposite of somebody else's opinion. And then there comes the auto de fe.

This whole thing simply doesn't feel right.

24 comments:

theHolism said...

Viewed Ella's comment #41. I only have one word for it. Sick. What deafhood and their leaders are attempting to do is sick. They won't succeed at it but yet it's still a valuable lesson in itself, showing how corrupted they really are when they discuss matters among themselves. As always I recorded a hard copy of her comment known as #41 into my hard drive because I've been telling people since day one about their true colors, that of hatred for oralists and cochlear implant community.

Sick.

Anonymous said...

"This whole things simply doesn't feel right." You might be right, Kokonut.

Hummm.....

Is the Deafhood Foundation staggering? Perhaps. Their goal is trying to reach up to $25M. Impossible. No one donated DHF $5,000 or more. Not even from the Corporations nor the Industries. Go to DHF's home section and click the green box. You will see the list of the donors. DHF has earned about $12K-$15K so far. Not very much earnings since DHF formed in less than a year or two.

You might be right if there's something wrong with the picture.

Viewed Ella's comment #41....it's the true color. Everyone knows that it's true that the DHF has the full of hatred for Oralists and Cochlear Implant communiity as I agreed with theHolism. It makes me sick to my stomach.

White Ghost

Amy Cohen Efron said...

Hi Mike,

I got a copy of Ladd's Deafhood book and I nicknamed it as "Deafible" - the compounded word of Deaf/Bible.

This book may be a groundbreaking one focusing on social identity politics among people who are deaf and hard of hearing. It appears to be the first of the kind. Also in this book, it comes with a list of suggested 'actions' in Chapter 11: Imagined Futures with 11 ideas to 'reconstruct' the system.

Cross-cultural participation in the Deafhood project

Political Reconstruction

Reconstruction and 'Hearing Bilingualism'

Educational Reconstruction with five areas of 'changes'.

Psychiatric Reconstruction

Cultural Reconstruction

Community Reconstruction with six areas.

Spiritual issues and reconstruction (interesting read and it is closely relevant to what you wrote in your blog now)

Media reconstruction

Academic Reconstruction

Medical Reconstruction with two areas: CI experimentation and Genetic engineering

To add some humor in this.. I found a video clip in Yahoo and Facebook to learn more about Deafhood from the canine's perspective, Doggiehood.

http://video.yahoo.com/watch/5185768/13708851?v=5185768

Best,
Amy Cohen Efron

Kim said...

DHF might be better off asking themselves, What do Deaf people want? How does the fight against oralism and cochlear implants fit their mission statement?

HLAA is about empowerment. No room for whining. How can Deaf people be empowered?

CAM said...

Why did you even bring Kim in? She was hearing and lost her hearing apparently as an adult (?) and still remembers what it's like to be hearing therefore she still identifies herself as hearing. Her - I don't consider "deaf." She never grew up deaf and has no clue what it is like. So, so she really doesn't have any say in all this. She is totally a bird of a different color and belongs to another flock that doesn't have anything to do with Deafhood.

Anonymous said...

That! More people eyes now open real agenda Deafhood? Throw out hearing people, doctors, oralism cochlear implants. Deaf Revolution! People blind clues many since 2006

Mike said...

CAM--> "Why did you even bring Kim in? She was hearing and lost her hearing apparently as an adult (?) and still remembers what it's like to be hearing therefore she still identifies herself as hearing. Her - I don't consider "deaf." She never grew up deaf and has no clue what it is like. So, so she really doesn't have any say in all this. She is totally a bird of a different color and belongs to another flock that doesn't have anything to do with Deafhood."

CAM, do you know how silly you sound when you tell Kim that she has no say in all this? And nothing to do with "deafhood"? Of course she has a say. She's entitled if she wishes to. She has a hearing loss like the rest of you. You are now all of sudden discriminating against her solely because she wasn't born deaf in the first place? Do you know how arrogant that sound?

Tsk.

Candy said...

Cam, who are you to decide who should or should not be here? Kim has been around a long time and she is welcome here. There has never been any criteria whether one can be part of the deaf community or not. What planet are you from?

Anonymous said...

FANATICHOOD...it’s a cult where people wanted what they didn’t have. They seek equality, justice, and etc. They refused to accept that Cochlear Implant is here to help and restore hearing. They wanted Deaf to be deaf...nothing more and nothing less. Deaf like them is required for us to be like them. This is how it happened when they feel powerless. They will do anything irrationally without taking responsibility just like Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad.

The world reacts what Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad said in United Nations and is no different what Ella mentioned on #41. She’s one of these fanatic minded folks. She uses hateful words and she admitted that she wouldn’t be using Deaf Oralist...Make up your mind, Ella!

The world isn’t stupid. We reacted what they have attempted to make things foolish. It’s a disgrace to witness their actions out loud.

A million dollar question for you---Where are 90% hearing parents?

I’m sure we all have answers within nanoseconds.

I’m glad that I didn’t end up being like them. I would kill myself if I’m like them.

Russell

Valhallian said...

If the Deafhood Foundation implemented the correct strategies they may be able to reach their 25M goal.

The way I see it, deafhood is basically a self journey through the process of finding their deaf identity.

Many different people from all walks of life actually experience some type of deafhood, regardless of their preferred communication mode. If this Foundation were smart, they would actually try to unite all deaf and hard of hearing people and they would support all communication modes.

If they actually implemented this concept and won over all kinds of deaf and hard of hearing people, including the late deafened, they they could potentially accomplish the fundraising goal of 25M.

But if they continue to do what they have been doing, bashing any communication mode that isn't ASL, I seriously doubt they would raise that much funding during my lifetime. Unfortunately, I think we'd all see flying pigs first.

Candy said...

Valhallian..

It's clear to see that if they ever succeed in raising 25M, they will be using most, if not all, of that money to destroy the "oralist establishment."

I would rather see dedicated organization that tolerates diversity of the deaf, to be the ones getting $$.

Reviewing DonG's "What is deafhood", he does include two part to dh. Self examination and community examination. In the community examination part, exploring the forces that influence the deaf community. hmm

So, it is clear that dh is not just only about personal journey, it's more than that.

Margarita said...

@Kim, Si! Glad to see you tried it out! Way to go! I agree with your statement: "HLAA is about empowerment. No room for whining. How can Deaf people be empowered?"

@Cam This IS Mike's blog, afterall he "let you in" now didn't he?
Why are you disrespecting, Kim? Why so judgemental? What has she personally done to you? From what I can see... NADA!
@ Candy... you stated:" What planet are you from?" :) Ya know we can put a man on Mars, but here we are, in the year 2010, with this ongoing debate.

Mike said...

Candy, they used that concept/word and politicized it for their own ideological needs to the point of perhaps selfishness. Remember how one Deaf person demanded to know why money was donated to "Deafhood? No Thanks" group? Even though it was monopoly money? And tried to "tut tut" them that money be better donated elsewhere (meaning to a "real" Deaf organization).

Arrogance.

Margarita said...

Revision!
@ Candy... you stated:" What planet are you from?" :) Ya know we can put a man on Mars, but here we are, in the year 2010, with this ongoing debate.

"Ya know we can put a man on the MOON, but here we are in the year 2010, with this ongoing debate.

MM said...

The more we hammer away at deafhood the more some deaf will see something in it, especially those who see the deaf world fragmenting via access....deaf have a history of oppression, that has been falling away over recent years, now they find without that oppression no-one is pulling for the common good any more, deaf NEED to be oppressed to survive ?

Karen Mayes said...

I planned on minding my own business, just sticking to my own blog... until I saw CAM's comment.

Whoa, CAM. So it means that my son who is late deafened is NOT "deaf"? He has a CI. Makes him more NOT "deaf"? Even though he goes to a Deaf school?

You owe Kim an apology. You are one of the reasons why many deaf people don't feel welcomed into the deaf community.

I am sticking up for Kim... she learned ASL, expressed her thoughts as a late deafened person, etc. I DON'T support any belittling just because one is not deaf enough.

Anonymous said...

CAM @ 8:10 PM? Huh?

Don't you realize what you commented is applying to the "D"eaf segregation eras? All you want "For The Deaf Only" to be in the deafread and Kokonut Pundit's blog. That's it. What more do you want from Deafread and Kokonut? That is not what we and Luther King want from your comment at 8:10 PM.

Since Kim is latened-deaf and is learning how to deal with her hearing loss from the internet. I applaud her for willing to learn what the deaf community/culture meant to be. That's courage for her to do that. She knows that she is not alone. She is welcomed to be here and is also entitled what she believes in.

CAM, you need to apologize to Kim and Kokonut.

White Ghost

Anonymous said...

I am currently in England on vacation and have visited three different cities and met deaf people. Paddy Ladd is an Englishman and they knew him well but when I brought up deafhood they did not know what I meant.
It became clear that the English deaf people have not accepted this or even think it worth debating. Now it is becoming a cult back home and they were bemused when I told them about the movement and training workshops. I must blog on this when I get back home on this.

Candy said...

Anonymous..

Oh yeah, you must!

I have seen similar response by some British deafies online. Even Paddy Ladd seemed bemused that the Americans are gaga over his deafhood book.

So, do blog and let us know when you do. ;)

MM said...

I am not English but I am British ! I said day one we in Britain took NO interest whatever in Ladd's ramblings. IT was discussed ONCE I believe on the sole deaf Brit TV show 'SEE HEAR', none could explain or knew what 'deafhood' was. Mr Ladd has made more mileage in the USA than here, for reasons that continue to baffle us I suppose strange cults and beliefs get more tolerance there... There is a hard core of pseudo deaf academics stuck in Bristol (England), for how long we don't know as the Uni wants them shut down, who think the sun shines out of Mr Ladd's Tome.. mostly it's vested and commercial interests via deaf studies, who provide nothing of value to British deaf but dusty books deaf won't read.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous at 5:58 PM,

Really? I am looking forward to seeing your blog when you get here in USA. You must!

Anyway, I viewed Deafchipmunk's new vlog.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J4gM-CIb7uk&feature=player_embedded

I have always believed that any forms of communication is real. We need to have any forms of communication to help anyone to talk with. It's same with the Indian Sign Language by its own nature. It's also same with the "football and baseball" sign language. It's also real in sports sign language by its own nature. Mike, I thought you would like to see his vlog.

White Ghost

Kim said...

@Cam
Hi Cam, You're right I am not Deaf. I am deaf. It is true that I still identify with hearing. But I don't live like other hearing people. I'm not like them in many ways.

Do you know when I was taking ASL a few years ago, I began dreaming in ASL? Funny thing. Until then I dreamed in English. In my English dreams it often happened I couldn't understand what people were talking about. I should have been able to understand what everyone was saying in my own dreams, wouldn't you think? But the reality was that my dreams reflected my real life, and in my real life I can't understand what people are talking about. So when I started dreaming in ASL, it was a relief. Sometimes I understood the ASL in my dreams. But then a strange thing happened. In my ASL dreams, people started signing things I couldn't understand. And the frustration began anew.

Why am I telling you this?

I think it illustrates my position in life. I am both hearing and deaf. I am neither hearing, nor Deaf.

I don't have a say in anything involving other peoples' lives. Sometimes I wonder why I should bother sharing my opinions about Deaf culture at all. It's really NOT my place. I totally agree with you.

It's just that when Mike posted these messages, something resonated deep inside. I feel a connection to Deaf culture, though I can't claim it as my own-- and I guess that's because I am literally in two worlds.

I envy people who are bilingually Deaf-- who speak English well and sign well.

I think you have to start young with both languages.

I hope this makes sense.

CAM said...

Kim,

Thank you. As for the rest of you, especially Mike and Candy and Karen, you all misunderstood my message. However, Kim got it, and with that, I am satisfied.

Mike's post was about Deafhood being like too religion-like, he was talking about the deaf-militants who are mostly born deaf or pre-lingually deaf (operative word, "mostly" meaning not all). Kim just doesn't fit into this. I was wondering why she was brought into this post. She was born hearing and became deaf late in life, remembers what it was like being hearing and surely her brain pathways still functions like a hearing person. I know of several such individuals and I AM friends with them all. They are nice and neat people. I have NOTHING against them. It is the TOPIC in this post and the idea of bringing KIM into this which I replied to. Karen, this has nothing to do with your son. Kim lost her hearing as an adult while your son gradually lost his hearing as a child. Two different experiences. Plus your son has a deaf mom and is exposed to deaf community. Kim was not. So your son cannot be compared to Kim. I don't see why you are offended or needed to be.

Kim, it sounds like you are embracing ASL but English is still strong in you as it is natural since you grew up hearing and spoke English. ASL is a wonderful language which I am glad you are embracing. My friends whose experiences are similar to yours also have since acquired ASL as their primary language since losing their hearings. Only one uses both because with a hearing aid, she can still hear pretty well in one ear, but it is expected that the hearing in that good ear will eventually go as well, so she just went ahead and learned ASL. She attended Deafhood workshops and likened it to Catholic missionaries who built churches all over the west and forced the locals to convert to Catholicism but they were still Native Indians...she thinks the same concept applies...hearing people are forcing their values on the deaf but they are still deaf nonetheless. I think she said it all.

Margarita said...

No ONE can FORCE their values upon you. The informed choice is YOURS.